Wednesday, September 22, 2010

Romans Study X - Dead in Adam, Alive in Christ

Continuing in Romans 5:

10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.  11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
We have now received the atonement. It is a done deal. I also wanted to note that there is not any neutral ground on which anyone stands with God. We are either his elect, or his enemies.
 12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

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 13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
I have to say that I really don't understand the above statement. It almost sounds as though Paul is saying that the sins that people committed before the giving of the Law were not imputed to them, even though they did suffer death.  Thoughts?
 14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
So even though the Law was not in effect from the time of Adam until Moses, the wages of sin (death) was still in effect. This is interesting, too. Some sects say that the Law was always known, but it was just Moses that wrote it down. This seems to say that it was not, that there was a time span before the dispensation of the law as there is now a time span after.
 15But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
 16And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
 17For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
 18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
 19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
It seems to be that what Paul is saying is that all are born sinners due to the sin of Adam, but all that are born from above are made righteous through the sinlessness of Christ.
 20Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 

The law entered to make our sin even more sinful.
 21That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

7 comments:

  1. 13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.


    im·pute (m-pyt)
    tr.v. im·put·ed, im·put·ing, im·putes
    1. To relate to a particular cause or source; attribute the fault or responsibility to: imputed the rocket failure to a faulty gasket; kindly imputed my clumsiness to inexperience.
    2. To assign as a characteristic; credit: the gracefulness so often imputed to cats.

    What I get from that verse is that there was a time period between the fall and the time that Moses received the law, when there was no sin for those laws that were broken prior to the time they were given....i.e. the Saturday sabbath, or the law of prohibition of the mixing flax with wool. There was no wrong in doing that something prior to the prohibition of an enacted law.

    But they had a conscience, and Cain knew it was wrong to kill Abel even though Moses hadn't come around with the tablets of stone that stated "Thou shalt not kill", and they didn't have Levitical laws at the time of Cain and Abel, and yet they performed a sacrifice to God...so, ummmmm............???

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  2. GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
    Sin was in the world before there were any laws. But no record of sin can be kept when there are no laws.


    Looking at the larger context of what Paul was talking about:

    http://markmcculley.wordpress.com/2010/08/01/not-under-law-means-not-under-condemnation-anymore/

    I quote from p 143: “According to this view, under law means under the
    condemnation of God’s moral law, and under grace speaks of the deliverance from this condition. Some problems arise from this view. First, Paul usually uses the word law to refer to the law of Moses in particular…When Paul spoke to those saints in the churches of Galatia who desired to be under the law, was he talking to people who longed to be under the condemnation of the law?…When Paul wrote that Jesus was born under the law, did he mean that Christ was born under the condemnation of the law? Under law means under the jurisdiction of the Mosaic covenant. Furthermore, if under law and under grace are existential categories describing an individual’s condemnation or justification, then Paul’s argument is a non-sequiter. It is not justification but sanctification that frees us from the dominion of the sin.”

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  3. I found this guy on youtube and have been listening to his offerings (video offerings :) ) and this one dovetails with that ambiguity of why we have laws to begin with. The minute or two at the beginning has an animation from "Pilgrim's Progress" (3 parts):

    http://www.youtube.com/user/FreeTheMasons#p/u/27/fxMSoZMtaUQ

    http://www.youtube.com/user/FreeTheMasons#p/u/26/d2Vxyl1aqPE

    http://www.youtube.com/user/FreeTheMasons#p/u/25/qqJhRknROsA

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  4. I read that link you posted to Mark McCully's blog. I'll have to go over it again to really get what he is saying. I will admit this problem is a bit over my head right now.

    "But they had a conscience, and Cain knew it was wrong to kill Abel even though Moses hadn't come around with the tablets of stone that stated "Thou shalt not kill", and they didn't have Levitical laws at the time of Cain and Abel, and yet they performed a sacrifice to God...so, ummmmm............???"

    I have heard it said that God told them by direct revelation what to do sacrifice-wise. I think there were God ordained sacrifices certainly, but wouldn't go so far as to say that the entirety of the Law (sabbaths, food laws, clothing laws, feast days, etc) was known or in some cases even hinted at.

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  5. I am checking out those youtubes, too;)

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  6. Also, do you think there is a difference between the sins of omission and the sins of comission? Maybe this verse might have something to do with the dogmas about these?

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  7. I know that James talks about the commission/omission thing as does Paul in another place, but I don't know if that is what is in view here. The Mr. has started going through Romans in our evening bible study with the kiddos, so I will be interested in his take on this. It may be awhile before we get there, though.

    I'll keep investigating, too.

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